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[Dragon Warrior]

 

Mommyyyy 

 

[Emi Pronounshe/him]

All the hate to the first movie didn't prevent it to get...

11 OSCAR NOMINATIONS

Stop the drama

[Imtired1616]

I dunno why this is cracking me up? Is he saying it's that bad, or what? 

https://x.com/Filmfect/status/1831257374696386917

[VoldeLorde PronounsHe/Him]

Honestly, as long as Gaga is praised, her career is fine. HOG wasn’t well received but that wasn’t Gaga’s fault and it had no effect on her. The film will be successful box office wise anyway; reviews don’t matter for comic book movies

[Dragon Warrior]

On 9/4/2024 at 8:10 PM, little legend said:

the fact that you are surprised about our reactions.

We were meltdowing when DWAS had just a decrease last week while it was still doing above 8m daily streams

so why are you surprised that we are going crazy over the slightest negative review?

I fuking miss your posts in ATRL 

i wish you could have hushed a lil bit when you were receiving wps left & right so you could have put kukai in his place 

[Dragon Warrior]

On 9/4/2024 at 8:14 PM, VoldeLorde said:

Honestly, as long as Gaga is praised, her career is fine. HOG wasn’t well received but that wasn’t Gaga’s fault and it had no effect on her. The film will be successful box office wise anyway; reviews don’t matter for comic book movies

THIS 

we don't gaf about Joker movie's future trajectory as long as she is getting acclaimed for her acting skills 

but she needs to avoid taking  music-related movie scripts for the next 5 (at least)

[MANiCURE1295 Pronounshe/him]

 

[XXXlop]

https://www.threestarfilms.com/post/joker-folie-à-deux----film-review

Someone didn't respect the embargo. Guess this is the first official review. 

Spoiler

The exact nature of Joker: Folie À Deux has been up in the air ever since it was first announced back in 2019. Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur Fleck was never intended to be the supervillain sort, with writer/director Todd Phillips confirming on multiple occasions that Fleck would never be the Clown Prince of Crime known for trading blows with Batman. The sequel's casting of Lady Gaga as Joker's love interest Harley Quinn raised even more questions, particularly when coupled with rumours that the film may even be a musical.

The first thing to clarify is, in spite of comments from Phillips, Gaga and co-writer Scott Silver insisting otherwise, Joker: Folie À Deux is absolutely a musical, complete with more than a dozen jukebox song-and-dance numbers, some with considerable choreography, all with live vocals by Phoenix, Gaga or both. 

The second surprise is that this continuation of 2019's controversial, incel-magnet blockbuster is not only smarter and sharper than the first, but also markedly more tasteful. If you've ever worn Joker makeup or shouted one of his 'catchphrases' in public, then Joker: Folie À Deux is directed at you; an unmistakable effort from Phillips, Phoenix and the rest of the team to reject, and even condemn the worst of their fans.

 

This is evident even from the film's basic plot, which concerns the sensationalised 'Trial of the Joker', both literally as Arthur faces the death penalty for the six murders he committed in Part 1, but also meta-textually as Phillips and Silver revisit several of the first film's most twisted or misconstrued scenes in a more humane and socially conscious light. These sections pit Arthur and his defence attorney (Catherine Keener) against several bit players returning from the first film, only being broken up intermittently by elaborate dream sequences depicting through an abstract liminal space the romance between Arthur and Gaga's 'Lee'.

The format is hard to beat in terms of sheer entertainment, as Phillips and Silvers borrow here from courtroom dramas and Fred Astaire pictures in the same way the original took from King of Comedy and Taxi Driver. Phoenix in particular is better even than before as a man whose supposed dual-personalities (the basis for his insanity plea) war across his every tick, smile and vocal inflection. Gaga matches him as best she can playing Lee, but the character is kept at arm's length, only ever revealing as much about herself as she wants Arthur to know. Consequently, the performance occasionally fades in contrast to Phoenix's dazzlingly neurotic and physical reprise.

Where Gaga does shine is in the film's various musical numbers which, while all sung live to the effect that performers feel rusty and untrained, are considerably impressive production pieces; an early sequence wherein Arthur and Lee waltz through a fire and subsequent manhunt in Arkham stands out, as does Phoenix's unforgettable take on Shirley Bassett's 'The Joker', the context for which shall not be spoiled here. 

Oscar-winning composer Hildur Guðnadóttir is not left out of the fun either, getting to assemble new, more raw and off-kilter instrumentations to run alongside each melody, going on then to weave them into her iconic score. It's an exceptional bit of sound design, and effectively sells the idea that Arthur's fantasies of romance and supervillainy are seeping into the very real trial before him.

The most divisive element of Joker: Folie À Deux won't be the show-tunes however, nor will it be the more politically-conscious courtroom sequences. All of those will be forgotten by the film's dissenters come the third act, which suggests certain narrative directions in-line with the original before dramatically subverting them to surprisingly melancholic effect. 

Unlike the original, no one will leave this sequel under the impression that Arthur Fleck is any kind of supervillain, not even his supporters. With a wider catalogue of genres and tropes to play with, Joker: Folie À Deux is a whole lot more fun than its broody and edgy predecessor, but it is also significantly more interesting for being aware, and perhaps even fearful of its titular star's long and hateful shadow.

 

Edited September 4 by XXXlop

[Adarsh]

Not the dramatics here chile

[OliverDespechao Pronounshe/him]

On 9/4/2024 at 10:43 AM, Emi said:

All the hate to the first movie didn't prevent it to get...

11 OSCAR NOMINATIONS

Stop the drama

In the first film, they criticized how bloody and raw the film was, not the script 

[Osama]

On 9/4/2024 at 8:16 AM, Ayobabylon said:

I will give swifties 10s for making this gif its hilarious 

Not even close to being funny

[Emi Pronounshe/him]

On 9/4/2024 at 11:50 AM, OliverDespechao said:

In the first film, they criticized how bloody and raw the film was, not the script 

anda a escuchar a la Rosalia olor a concha esa Maria, no rompas!

[FRANZGA PronounsHe/Him/His]

On 9/4/2024 at 10:49 PM, XXXlop said:

https://www.threestarfilms.com/post/joker-folie-à-deux----film-review

Someone didn't respect the embargo. Guess this is the first official review.

  Reveal hidden contents

The exact nature of Joker: Folie À Deux has been up in the air ever since it was first announced back in 2019. Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur Fleck was never intended to be the supervillain sort, with writer/director Todd Phillips confirming on multiple occasions that Fleck would never be the Clown Prince of Crime known for trading blows with Batman. The sequel's casting of Lady Gaga as Joker's love interest Harley Quinn raised even more questions, particularly when coupled with rumours that the film may even be a musical.

The first thing to clarify is, in spite of comments from Phillips, Gaga and co-writer Scott Silver insisting otherwise, Joker: Folie À Deux is absolutely a musical, complete with more than a dozen jukebox song-and-dance numbers, some with considerable choreography, all with live vocals by Phoenix, Gaga or both. 

The second surprise is that this continuation of 2019's controversial, incel-magnet blockbuster is not only smarter and sharper than the first, but also markedly more tasteful. If you've ever worn Joker makeup or shouted one of his 'catchphrases' in public, then Joker: Folie À Deux is directed at you; an unmistakable effort from Phillips, Phoenix and the rest of the team to reject, and even condemn the worst of their fans.

 

This is evident even from the film's basic plot, which concerns the sensationalised 'Trial of the Joker', both literally as Arthur faces the death penalty for the six murders he committed in Part 1, but also meta-textually as Phillips and Silver revisit several of the first film's most twisted or misconstrued scenes in a more humane and socially conscious light. These sections pit Arthur and his defence attorney (Catherine Keener) against several bit players returning from the first film, only being broken up intermittently by elaborate dream sequences depicting through an abstract liminal space the romance between Arthur and Gaga's 'Lee'.

The format is hard to beat in terms of sheer entertainment, as Phillips and Silvers borrow here from courtroom dramas and Fred Astaire pictures in the same way the original took from King of Comedy and Taxi Driver. Phoenix in particular is better even than before as a man whose supposed dual-personalities (the basis for his insanity plea) war across his every tick, smile and vocal inflection. Gaga matches him as best she can playing Lee, but the character is kept at arm's length, only ever revealing as much about herself as she wants Arthur to know. Consequently, the performance occasionally fades in contrast to Phoenix's dazzlingly neurotic and physical reprise.

Where Gaga does shine is in the film's various musical numbers which, while all sung live to the effect that performers feel rusty and untrained, are considerably impressive production pieces; an early sequence wherein Arthur and Lee waltz through a fire and subsequent manhunt in Arkham stands out, as does Phoenix's unforgettable take on Shirley Bassett's 'The Joker', the context for which shall not be spoiled here. 

Oscar-winning composer Hildur Guðnadóttir is not left out of the fun either, getting to assemble new, more raw and off-kilter instrumentations to run alongside each melody, going on then to weave them into her iconic score. It's an exceptional bit of sound design, and effectively sells the idea that Arthur's fantasies of romance and supervillainy are seeping into the very real trial before him.

The most divisive element of Joker: Folie À Deux won't be the show-tunes however, nor will it be the more politically-conscious courtroom sequences. All of those will be forgotten by the film's dissenters come the third act, which suggests certain narrative directions in-line with the original before dramatically subverting them to surprisingly melancholic effect. 

Unlike the original, no one will leave this sequel under the impression that Arthur Fleck is any kind of supervillain, not even his supporters. With a wider catalogue of genres and tropes to play with, Joker: Folie À Deux is a whole lot more fun than its broody and edgy predecessor, but it is also significantly more interesting for being aware, and perhaps even fearful of its titular star's long and hateful shadow.

 

So it's musical "MUSICAL" and Gaga is indeed a support

I'll still take the box office, i just hope the incels wont hate the musical part that much

[Dean Judaster]

Definitely as long as Gaga gets acclaim, it's good. Just also important to keep in mind that the reception of the film as a whole will be affecting Gaga's chances of nominations and wins just like in HOG. So adjust expectations accordingly.

[FRANZGA PronounsHe/Him/His]

Are we ready for the Rotten Tomatoes Score Debut?

Expecting this to be another HOG critically

[Bernadette]

On 9/4/2024 at 11:34 AM, OliverDespechao said:

just like HOG 

True. The Critics Consensus was on her side. She has the best performance in that film, 4/5 noms from the big 5 awards in the season as lead actress. She did a great job there and her performance as Patrizia really elevated her acting status in Hollywood. 

[FRANZGA PronounsHe/Him/His]

On 9/4/2024 at 10:52 PM, Dean Judaster said:

Definitely as long as Gaga gets acclaim, it's good. Just also important to keep in mind that the reception of the film as a whole will be affecting Gaga's chances of nominations and wins just like in HOG. So adjust expectations accordingly.

I'm honestly dropping all the Oscar hopes for JFAD 

Spoiler

Maybe, part of me want her just to focus on music instead

But it's best to wait for the official reviews methinks

[Ayobabylon PronounsHe/him]

The first film got negative reception bc of lack of originality n portrayal of mental health

this one is getting criticism for poor direction n lack of a good script thats totally different but I hope im wrong n film actually smashes on box office n awards season

[boobatella PronounsShe/Her]

On 9/4/2024 at 5:40 PM, little legend said:

this just proves that Ally smashed , not Gaga

what if The Fame NO but YES a star is born? 

[admin Pronounshe/him]

On 9/4/2024 at 5:53 AM, Gypsy Life said:

Oh LG7 lead don't make that face

 

On 9/4/2024 at 7:54 AM, VoldeLorde said:

Todd is annoying me too actually. Maybe I just hate men?