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[Ayobabylon PronounsHe/him]

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The characters of Joker and Harley have some interesting charm and dynamics between them, but despite the strong performance from Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga, the laughably dialogue, uninteresting side characters, and tone that takes itself WAY too seriously doesn't do much justice. Including Philips' direction being kind of all over the place.

 

Philips really tries to grasp hard to move away from the derivative comedy movies in his past career and lean into dramatic works but unfortunately, he seems to fail to stray away from it. I do give appreciation to the costume designers and the camerawork designs because they are good.

 

At the end, Todd Philips tries to make something serious but unfortunately fails to successfully strive with a

 

[Moonlight Shadow]

A friend attended the premiere of Venice : his own opinion :

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- Gaga is great. 

- The music balance is weird : sometimes it sings a lot, sometimes not at all. But it takes people in a place they didn't expected, great point.

- He liked Joker 1 a lot more. And hope there's no Joker 3.

- Some length, a bit too long, could be shortened a bit.

- That's Entertainment' is sung and that's the core point of the movie.

- He think there's only covers, can't be sure as he don't know all the songs. 'Ne me quitte pas' by Jacques Brel is sung, not by Gaga.

 

Edited September 4 by Moonlight Shadow

[holyenigma]

On 9/4/2024 at 2:48 PM, Moonlight Shadow said:

The Weeknd announced album title : 'Hurry Up Tomorrow'

The fact we are a few weeks away from the same kind of announcement from Gaga is unreal 

do we know when this is coming?

 

Dawn FM didn’t do too much but i feel like that was due to the fact After Hours was still dominating 

His next one will be big I think 

[Ayobabylon PronounsHe/him]

Kidman is talking the Volvi Cup i think 

[Imtired1616]

I'm trying to plan my lunch hour for when everything drops today. I need a lunch 3 hours, for real. 

[OreoÀDeux Pronounshe/him]

On 9/4/2024 at 3:02 PM, Ayobabylon said:

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The characters of Joker and Harley have some interesting charm and dynamics between them, but despite the strong performance from Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga, the laughably dialogue, uninteresting side characters, and tone that takes itself WAY too seriously doesn't do much justice. Including Philips' direction being kind of all over the place.

 

Philips really tries to grasp hard to move away from the derivative comedy movies in his past career and lean into dramatic works but unfortunately, he seems to fail to stray away from it. I do give appreciation to the costume designers and the camerawork designs because they are good.

 

At the end, Todd Philips tries to make something serious but unfortunately fails to successfully strive with a

 

Not this review cut off in the middle and no source 

Let's just wait for the official reviews 

[Bernadette]

Unnoficial reviews from journalists

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Todd Phillips' direction and screenplay in this sequel fall short precisely because he does not explore the crucial points of the plot in an inventive way. It feels like an unfinished film, full of flaws. The highlights are Lady Gaga and Joaquin Phoenix's performances, both delivering complex, deep, and multi-layered portrayals that provide their respective characters with formidable and well-developed arcs. A standout moment is the scene where Lee Quinzel (Lady Gaga) has a breakdown and becomes involved in a massacre in the courtroom.

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"Joker: Folie à Deux" is an example of how sequels aren’t always a good idea, but Todd Phillips' new project is saved by two key elements: Lady Gaga and Joaquin Phoenix. There are some great moments, but the script is mediocre and doesn’t add value to the Gotham universe created by Phillips.

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Lady Gaga proves once again to be a high-performance and technically skilled actress in this sequel. The actress masterfully leads and builds her character, Lee Quinzel, who spearheads the revolution in Gotham's daily life. Joaquin Phoenix delivers a breathtaking performance, demonstrating why he won the Oscar for the first film. Todd Phillips' direction is good, but it isn’t the main focus of this discussion.

 

[Replay]

On 9/4/2024 at 4:02 PM, Gypsy Life said:

Idk why I keep forgetting it each time. Sorry. 

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What about Lifetimes?

[DonnieDarko]

On 9/4/2024 at 4:02 PM, Ayobabylon said:

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The characters of Joker and Harley have some interesting charm and dynamics between them, but despite the strong performance from Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga, the laughably dialogue, uninteresting side characters, and tone that takes itself WAY too seriously doesn't do much justice. Including Philips' direction being kind of all over the place.

 

Philips really tries to grasp hard to move away from the derivative comedy movies in his past career and lean into dramatic works but unfortunately, he seems to fail to stray away from it. I do give appreciation to the costume designers and the camerawork designs because they are good.

 

At the end, Todd Philips tries to make something serious but unfortunately fails to successfully strive with a

 

You’re truly something else 

[MANiCURE1295 Pronounshe/him]

Even if reviews are mixed then it’s okay, we gotta hope that Gaga’s performance is a stand out and maybe she can still get in with a nomination!!! Either way, it’s fine. We have LG7 coming and DWAS is literally a smash hit. Let’s just enjoy these amazing moments with so much content 

[OreoÀDeux Pronounshe/him]

On 9/4/2024 at 3:18 PM, Bernadette said:

Unnoficial reviews from journalists

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Todd Phillips' direction and screenplay in this sequel fall short precisely because he does not explore the crucial points of the plot in an inventive way. It feels like an unfinished film, full of flaws. The highlights are Lady Gaga and Joaquin Phoenix's performances, both delivering complex, deep, and multi-layered portrayals that provide their respective characters with formidable and well-developed arcs. A standout moment is the scene where Lee Quinzel (Lady Gaga) has a breakdown and becomes involved in a massacre in the courtroom.

  Reveal hidden contents

"Joker: Folie à Deux" is an example of how sequels aren’t always a good idea, but Todd Phillips' new project is saved by two key elements: Lady Gaga and Joaquin Phoenix. There are some great moments, but the script is mediocre and doesn’t add value to the Gotham universe created by Phillips.

  Reveal hidden contents

Lady Gaga proves once again to be a high-performance and technically skilled actress in this sequel. The actress masterfully leads and builds her character, Lee Quinzel, who spearheads the revolution in Gotham's daily life. Joaquin Phoenix delivers a breathtaking performance, demonstrating why he won the Oscar for the first film. Todd Phillips' direction is good, but it isn’t the main focus of this discussion.

 

Hopefully the movie is enjoyable to the GP even if it's not a critics darling. Gaga getting praise is a relief but I hope the HoG scenario doesn't repeat itself.

[Ayobabylon PronounsHe/him]

need gaga to stay away from biopics remakes n sequels n maybe try to do an indie film next n ofc decrease the span between the films bc 3 years is too much

Edited September 4 by Ayobabylon

[OreoÀDeux Pronounshe/him]

On 9/4/2024 at 3:20 PM, MANiCURE1295 said:

Even if reviews are mixed then it’s okay, we gotta hope that Gaga’s performance is a stand out and maybe she can still get in with a nomination!!! Either way, it’s fine. We have LG7 coming and DWAS is literally a smash hit. Let’s just enjoy these amazing moments with so much content 

Hopefully it does incredibly at the BO so that it doesn't get shut out at the Oscars a la HoG though.

[little legend]

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As a fan of the original Joker film, I eagerly anticipated Joker 2 with the hope that it would delve even deeper into the twisted psyche of Arthur Fleck. However, this sequel, while visually striking and emotionally intense, struggles to recapture the brilliance of its predecessor. A major factor in this is the surprising inclusion of Lady Gaga, whose performance, though bold, feels out of place in this dark narrative.

Lady Gaga steps into the role of Harley Quinn with her usual flair, but rather than enhancing the story, her portrayal often feels like an awkward attempt to inject a pop culture icon into a world that thrives on subtlety and despair. Her character's chemistry with Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker is inconsistent, leaving their relationship feeling forced rather than the natural descent into madness we hoped for.

One particularly jarring moment is when Gaga’s character breaks into a rendition of her single "Stupid Love." While the song might work on a pop stage ( in real world actually it does not), it feels utterly disconnected from the grim tone of the film. The performance comes across as an odd promotional piece rather than a genuine part of the storyline, detracting from the overall atmosphere and pulling viewers out of the experience. "Stupid Love" was a questionable choice for the soundtrack, and in this context, it’s downright cringe-worthy.

Visually, Joker 2 is still stunning, with its gritty cinematography and haunting score. Phoenix continues to deliver a captivating performance, portraying the Joker’s descent into madness with a terrifying grace. Yet, the film’s pacing falters, with some scenes dragging on without adding much to the plot, while others rush through moments that could have been explored with greater depth.

In the end, Joker 2 feels like a chaotic symphony of ideas, some brilliant, others misguided. While it attempts to build on the foundation laid by the first film, it ultimately stumbles under the weight of its own ambition, leaving viewers longing for the raw, unfiltered brilliance of the original.

 

[Ayobabylon PronounsHe/him]

I predict a 69 debut on RT 

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[Imtired1616]

On 9/4/2024 at 10:21 AM, Ayobabylon said:

need gaga to stay away from biopics n sequels n maybe try to do an indie film next n ofc decrease the span between the films bc 3 years is too much

Add remakes to this list. 

[OliverDespechao Pronounshe/him]

On 9/4/2024 at 10:18 AM, Bernadette said:

Unnoficial reviews from journalists

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Todd Phillips' direction and screenplay in this sequel fall short precisely because he does not explore the crucial points of the plot in an inventive way. It feels like an unfinished film, full of flaws. The highlights are Lady Gaga and Joaquin Phoenix's performances, both delivering complex, deep, and multi-layered portrayals that provide their respective characters with formidable and well-developed arcs. A standout moment is the scene where Lee Quinzel (Lady Gaga) has a breakdown and becomes involved in a massacre in the courtroom.

  Reveal hidden contents

"Joker: Folie à Deux" is an example of how sequels aren’t always a good idea, but Todd Phillips' new project is saved by two key elements: Lady Gaga and Joaquin Phoenix. There are some great moments, but the script is mediocre and doesn’t add value to the Gotham universe created by Phillips.

  Reveal hidden contents

Lady Gaga proves once again to be a high-performance and technically skilled actress in this sequel. The actress masterfully leads and builds her character, Lee Quinzel, who spearheads the revolution in Gotham's daily life. Joaquin Phoenix delivers a breathtaking performance, demonstrating why he won the Oscar for the first film. Todd Phillips' direction is good, but it isn’t the main focus of this discussion.

 

IT'S OVER

STOP THE COUNT 

[OreoÀDeux Pronounshe/him]

On 9/4/2024 at 3:22 PM, little legend said:

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As a fan of the original Joker film, I eagerly anticipated Joker 2 with the hope that it would delve even deeper into the twisted psyche of Arthur Fleck. However, this sequel, while visually striking and emotionally intense, struggles to recapture the brilliance of its predecessor. A major factor in this is the surprising inclusion of Lady Gaga, whose performance, though bold, feels out of place in this dark narrative.

Lady Gaga steps into the role of Harley Quinn with her usual flair, but rather than enhancing the story, her portrayal often feels like an awkward attempt to inject a pop culture icon into a world that thrives on subtlety and despair. Her character's chemistry with Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker is inconsistent, leaving their relationship feeling forced rather than the natural descent into madness we hoped for.

One particularly jarring moment is when Gaga’s character breaks into a rendition of her single "Stupid Love." While the song might work on a pop stage ( in real world actually it does not), it feels utterly disconnected from the grim tone of the film. The performance comes across as an odd promotional piece rather than a genuine part of the storyline, detracting from the overall atmosphere and pulling viewers out of the experience. "Stupid Love" was a questionable choice for the soundtrack, and in this context, it’s downright cringe-worthy.

Visually, Joker 2 is still stunning, with its gritty cinematography and haunting score. Phoenix continues to deliver a captivating performance, portraying the Joker’s descent into madness with a terrifying grace. Yet, the film’s pacing falters, with some scenes dragging on without adding much to the plot, while others rush through moments that could have been explored with greater depth.

In the end, Joker 2 feels like a chaotic symphony of ideas, some brilliant, others misguided. While it attempts to build on the foundation laid by the first film, it ultimately stumbles under the weight of its own ambition, leaving viewers longing for the raw, unfiltered brilliance of the original.

 

[Bernadette]

It looks like Todd really failed with his script and direction here, but Gaga is only receiving praise for her performance. She did her job correctly like she did in House Of Gucci, but a movie needs more than that. It is a team effort. 

[Ayobabylon PronounsHe/him]

Only DWAS  getting 12M update tomorrow can make it better 

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