corvus albus Pronounshe/him Moderator 17,129 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, Delusional said: I’m not complaining that people are dragging her I’m just defending her. If I was complaining I’d be doing that in the report button, it’s a harmless discussion. Let's hope so but it sometimes seems you're getting a bit too personal in such discussions. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chartgaga A Popster Is Born 10,029 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, MANiCURE1295 said: No I was just saying that because I don’t think Taylor adds absolutely anything to stage show that many other popstars couldn’t. She’s pretty mediocre dancing wise and again, her stage presence leaves a lot to be desired. Winking and smiling and looking like a pin up doll which is basically I remember from her reputation tour video is not “performing” IN MY OPINION much less adding anything interesting or new. She’s bland. again, songwriting is incredible. Performing...very blah I actually found her pretty approved and better than some of her peers like Ariana in terms of performing, Taylor somehow still owns the stage when she's on it... she's not the best but she commands it anyhow 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replay A Popster Is Born 16,284 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, Fame Romance said: That was last week, this week it'll enter the top 100 upon its 5th anniversary Only making Chromatica's tanking look worse do we have sales numbers for chromatica too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANiCURE1295 Pronounshe/him Pop-a-911-ster 39,359 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, chartgaga said: I actually found her pretty approved and better than some of her peers like Ariana in terms of performing, Taylor somehow still owns the stage when she's on it... she's not the best but she commands it anyhow Taylor definitely IMPROVED since say 2010, definitely, I just don’t consider her up there in the higher echelons of performance skills. but yes, she has definitely improved. Much in the same way that Dua had TERRIBLE stage presence and now is much better. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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danwasd Pronounsthey/them A Popster Is Born 14,820 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, chartgaga said: I actually found her pretty approved and better than some of her peers like Ariana in terms of performing, Taylor somehow still owns the stage when she's on it... she's not the best but she commands it anyhow Ariana's stage presence is much better than Taylor's one, tho, imo i.e., any Side to Side or 7 Rings performance stomps on anything I've seen from Ms. TayTay Edited February 8, 2021 by danwasd 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joesuda Pronounshe/him/his Moderator 3,690 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, Miaou said: I love her but Taylor has no charisma’s stage presence Let me respectfully disagree. Quantifying stage presence is not something that can be easily done, but if to try to do it then maybe touring gross or tour reviews would be the way to do it. Taylor has the tour gross to show it and if you read her tour reviews then you can also see that those people do in fact say that she has stage presence and she can fill the stadium with just her and guitar if need be. However you are entitled to your own opinion xx Also the SB is generally a spectacle and a woman who had 50 feet blow up snake on her tour is able to provide that. 11 minutes ago, Paradise is in my hands said: It started because Vivi called ROM overrated on me. It goes both ways. Where did I mention you personally that you feel the need to personally quote me - if you see yourself in it then maybe the shoe fits. But generally I was referencing the no performance at Super Bowl tweet and previous posters over the previous few months. Entela and their 4 dupes were probably a part of them, but there have been others. And the trend in general to push down other females to prep Gaga up has also been here so my overall point stands. Vivi could have expressed their opinion in a more nuanced way, but Vivi has been more of a fan of ASIB type of songs so yeah. Overall I am not going to touch this topic more, but this forum has no character limit so maybe we should learn to express our opinions in a more nuanced way and refrain from Stan Twitter type of Our Fave is the best, your fave sucks type of posts. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chartgaga A Popster Is Born 10,029 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, MANiCURE1295 said: Taylor definitely IMPROVED since say 2010, definitely, I just don’t consider her up there in the higher echelons of performance skills. but yes, she has definitely improved. Much in the same way that Dua had TERRIBLE stage presence and now is much better. I don't find any of the current pop girls that good performance wise tbh, it's all hit or miss lately... I guess Taylor shines more when it comes to acoustic... I miss when they used to put effort into the performances... like even the VMAs was a bit messy in terms of execution... I feel like no artists latety is putting the energy let's say Gaga was putting back in her early days 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus albus Pronounshe/him Moderator 17,129 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Let's just end the discussion here. We have understood both sides and we don't need more escalation right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANiCURE1295 Pronounshe/him Pop-a-911-ster 39,359 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) OMG WE CANNOT USE TOUR GROSS TO MEASURE PERFORMANCE SKILL LOL, THAT I WILL NOT AGREE WITH that measures how large a fanbase is not your performing skills, plenty of shitty performers have high tour grosses. Let’s not act like Katy Perry is an incredible performer but that hasn’t stopped some of her tours grossing millions and millions of dollars Edited February 8, 2021 by MANiCURE1295 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danwasd Pronounsthey/them A Popster Is Born 14,820 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, chartgaga said: I feel like no artists latety is putting the energy let's say Gaga was putting back in her early days Not ever her, yep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chartgaga A Popster Is Born 10,029 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, danwasd said: Ariana's stage presence is much better than Taylor's one, tho, imo i.e., any Side to Side or 7 Rings performance stomps on anything I've seen from Ms. TayTay I've seen sweetener tour and that was not sweet at all, she basically closed her eyes the whole time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fame Romance Popster for Sale 57,289 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Applause said: do we have sales numbers for chromatica too? For the last 3 weeks, according to Rolling Stone, it's 6.9k->7.1k->7.3k It should near 880k total Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miaou Pop-a-911-ster 31,850 Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, corvus albus said: Let's just end the discussion here. We have understood both sides and we don't need more escalation right now go back to watch ARTE 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Replay A Popster Is Born 16,284 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, Fame Romance said: For the last 3 weeks, according to Rolling Stone, it's 6.9k->7.1k->7.3k It should near 880k total what caused rise? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danwasd Pronounsthey/them A Popster Is Born 14,820 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Delusional said: I’d disagree with Side To Side stomping on anything by Taylor - simply because of that VMAs performance and how out of breath she is with literally working out during the choreo. In general - 2014-2018 was genuinely an awful time for award show performances by MPG’s. Nothing new at all. Once Gaga toned it down at them it’s like everyone else was like “well, no one else left to upstage” and the bar was dropped. I'm talking about stage presence, not overall performance bestie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus albus Pronounshe/him Moderator 17,129 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, Miaou said: go back to watch ARTE Doing that right now. I'm a multitasking queen Spoiler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kDcN5mfeNo This one is in German though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAG PronounsHe/Him Moderator 6,288 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, chartgaga said: I feel like no artists latety is putting the energy let's say Gaga was putting back in her early days Beyonce never really let up performance wise tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chartgaga A Popster Is Born 10,029 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, Herrscher of Reason said: spill. what is this mess? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fame Romance Popster for Sale 57,289 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, Applause said: what caused rise? A combination of Talent, Joe Biden, Oreo and Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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